was driving through gary, indiana, and things were bad ten years ago, 20 years ago. joe, tell us where you think we are. >> i don't think we should sacrifice the american worker. there are a number of ways to job train and escort people into work that we're just not doing. what happens a lot is you hear jobs, jobs, jobs, and you don't see anything happen. i don't see any job programs. do you? >> oh, job training programs. that's about it. >> do you? >> that's been the problem. there's been this job training consensus. there was job training money under clinton and the recovery act, but if you train people to have jobs and there are no jobs -- >> there's an "all dressed up and nowhere to go" potential. you train people for jobs and there's nowhere to go. >> i was doing this for 20 years. >> basically what? >> the job sector, working with disabled people, homeless gentlemen, homeless adults, disabled, as i say, and i've never seen a lack of commitment to the work force like i do now. >> by who? >> by the government, by officials. just turning on public employees for example. >> and you were